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Argh....with this bug there is absolutely no way to determine if the user has changed changed the panning of the map....I need a way to determine this so that i can allow the user to reset the map to it's original view. Please fix this ASAP.    

I have another example regarding the problematic accuracy of moveCamera/animateCamera.
When you use CameraUpdateFactory.newLatLngBounds(), moveCamera and animateCamera result in different values in map.getProjection().getVisibleRegion().latLngBounds.

LatLngBounds bounds = new LatLngBounds(new LatLng(40.70798493778415, -74.01434069136418), new LatLng(40.72072004852845, -73.99760391411343));
if (animate) {
   map.animateCamera(CameraUpdateFactory.newLatLngBounds(bounds, 0),
} else {
   map.moveCamera(CameraUpdateFactory.newLatLngBounds(bounds, 0));
}

map.getProjection().getVisibleRegion().latLngBounds :
after animateCamera -
LatLngBounds{southwest=lat/lng: (40.70711197865251,-74.01539381593466), northeast=lat/lng: (40.72159253556309,-73.99655096232891)}
after moveCamera -
LatLngBounds{southwest=lat/lng: (40.70798500292429,-74.01539381593466), northeast=lat/lng: (40.72071968970514,-73.99655096232891)}

This is pretty important for my design as im calculating a search radius (Vincenty’s formula) by the bounds of the map. appreciate if you could confirm the accuracy of those 2 APIs.

Another example : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17909767/googlemap-movecamera-or-animatecamera-according-to-latlngbounds-is-not-accurate/18103614#18103614

any news regarding this issue ?

I can share my thoughts about it.

LatLng is keeping doubles, when these are sent via IPC, they are flattened to floats, because there is no writeDouble: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Parcel.html#writeFloat%28float%29.
When going back, you lose precision and thus errors on 4-5th decimal place.

If I'm correct here, this can be hard (if possible) to fix without breaking compatibility.

If you're right then compatibility doesnt have to be broken in order to pass a more accurate LatLng value in many other parcelable types which are not float. This option can be added and not replace the current one.
I any case this issue is really annoying and i hope someone from google can take a look at it. Thanks.

If I'm right then you are also right. ;)

Double values in LatLng could be sent using writeLong after converting them using Double.doubleToLongBits (http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Double.html#doubleToLongBits%28double%29) and converted back to double in Google Play Services app.

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Comparing floating-point values for exact equality is rarely a good idea.  I'd suggest treating two LatLngs as equal if they're within some small distance of each other.

Not sure what comment #5 is getting at.  Parcel#writeDouble exists, and the docs say it's been around since API 1.  (Although the docs have been known to lie...)

As you are comparing objects, not numerals, unless specifically otherwise documented, you should expect the equals() method of any class derived from Object to implement the same equivalence relation as the parent class [1]:
"The equals method for class Object implements the most discriminating possible equivalence relation on objects; that is, for any non-null reference values x and y, this method returns true if and only if x and y refer to the same object (x == y has the value true)."

Also, regarding numerals, as the previous commenter already mentioned, comparing floating point values for exact equality is generally not a good idea, and doing it right is far from trivial [2].

Issue 4786 had a similar report about the onCameraChange() event not returning the exact same coordinates originally passed to CameraUpdateFactory.newLatLng().

As I commented there, we need to convert between real-world coordinates and pixel coordinates to render anything on the screen, so especially when it comes to cameras and views, you should not assume the coordinates you gave to exactly match those used internally.

The developer on the other issue provided two (longitude) coordinates as an example: 51.9820167 (given by developer) and 51.982016909253694 (returned by the API). However, the maximum real-world distance between these points is actually only 2.3 cm (at the equator).

If you need to check coordinates for approximate equality, I'd recommend using an arbitrary epsilon value of your choice (e.g. 5  or 10 cm, or 0.000001 degrees) to determine if two points are close enough to each other to be considered equal. You just need to choose a suitable distance metric and epsilon that works well for for your use case.

As we know the number ranges ([-90.0, 90.0] and [-180.0, 180.0) degrees), as well as the approximate minimum resolution of the map, absolute error margins are likely sufficient for most use cases (either in degrees or distance). That way you can avoid having to bother with the less intuitive relative errors mentioned in the linked article.

That said, I changed this issue to a type Enhancement request, and created an internal feature request for providing an a convenience method for calculating approximate equality.

[1] https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/lang/Object.html#equals-java.lang.Object-
[2] http://floating-point-gui.de/errors/comparison/ 

same here ... just upgraded my gs2 to 2.3.5 and the reboot frenzy started ... if I take my sd card it works fine ... but without my apps :(

Issue 11314 is completely unrelated to this issue.

Unrelated to this issue, but since my unrelated issue was incorrectly closed as a duplicate...

The current implementation of equals() is just plain wrong. This is a case where comparing floating point values using the == operator is exactly what you want. The current implementation compares the values for bitwise equality, which is wrong in at least two ways: it incorrectly returns true when comparing two NaNs, and it incorrectly returns false when comparing 0f and -0f.

I had all my apps installed on phone memory, but got low memory warning, so i moved all 384 apps i had to SD.
my phone is stuck rebooting after 20-30 seconds each time it starts up
I don't even have time to move the apps back to internal memory.

this is with a Galaxy Note GT-N7000

Is there any fix / workaround? my phone is not useable for obvious reasons...

@Khalid, it seems that until the bug is fixed - the only reliable work around is to remove the SD card.  I know that's not really a solution when you've got low memory, but it will at least stop the cycle.  Then I suggest you download your apps again (but just the ones you really need, not all 300+) to the phone's storage.

If you need to delete apps but can't because the phone keeps rebooting, try turning off wifi as soon as it boots, then try deleting apps. Worked for me, I now have about 40 apps on SD card, the rest in phone memory.

Exactly the same issue on the Galaxy Note after i tried to free up some memory 2 days ago by moving some apps to the SD card. Only works now after i have removed the card. Used Gemini to move my apps. I really can't believe that Google have not fixed this yet. Obviously is a major issue with the OS that means that you are limited to just 2gb of internal memory.

COME ON GOOGLE, SORT THIS OUT NOW!!!!

i also suffer from the same issue ,  i thought its from the sd card at first and bout  a new samsung class 10 32 gb but the same issue , i tried to to wipe the phone and factory reset but the same issue
i even tried to see if its an app related and started moving apps one by one to sd card  and restart the phone after each  app moved on a fresh factory setting  , but the problem was random  once i move 7~8 very big apps  (25+ mb  each ) it stars to happen  o i can install  20+ small apps  (2~10 mb each ) on sd card and then the problem will happen

I have the same problem as everyone else here. Please fix this problem!!! Requires immediate attention. 2.3.4 hasn't got this problem so see what was changed from that which ruined the SD Card function.

I have the same problem with my Galaxy Note on 2.3.5. And it wasted a few hours of my time (not to mention hair tearing) uninstalling apps and widgets that I thought might be causing this before I found some info on the Net that it could be due to app2sd. I removed the microsd card, and viola, no problem.

Very disappointed in Google that such a huge bug that renders the phone useless slipped through their QA. Please fix this damn annoying problem.

over 2 months now, i've wasted almost 20+ hours trying to format and redownload, format and redownload over 8 times! PLEASE ADDRESS THIS BUG AS SOON AS POSSIBLE GOOGLE!
From a former android fan, now a hater >:(

Same here, after i move most of my apps into SD Card, phone keep rebooting...

Also affected.  Have had this issue with Droid 1 and HTC Incredible 2.

Also affected. Incredibly frustrating and time consuming to finally realize this was the problem.  Wiped entire phone several times until finally coming across the thread on XDA. Please fix this, Google!

Same issue as above help, don't know what caused this but it's making my smart phone very useless!

same problem after moving many apps this problem start

please google fix this issue....cant installing more than 70 apps...
if all apps moved to sd...
it got stucked in infinite bootloop....
please sammy or google fix this issue on my costly phone....

Hi there,

I have the same problem.
I tried at least 8 different SD Cards and the phone will keep rebooting. By the way it gets really hot between the camera and the battery. Unmounting the SD card solves the problem .... By the way .... Could it be a particular application on the SD card that is causing the problem ? ... Could we list the apps that everyone has to check if one app is recurrent ? ....

This problem affected me from 2.3.5 official update on my GS2, so if it's really an Android problem I hope that Google will fix it as soon is possible

I also have the same problem and i am on ICS LPQ

Same problem here on Samsung Galaxy S II and orginal Samsung Galaxy Tab.  I tried several microSDHC cards thinking mine were too slow.  Lots of money spent later, the problem remains with 2.3.5 and above.  This is on stock (non-rooted) versions.

Hey every one I've been suffering from this for months now, multiple tests(different roms, sd cards and multiple sd card reformats) and the problem always comes back. I think I've narrowed it down to the total combined size of apps you move.  Below 400 mb and the problem doesn't happen.  After approaching that number it starts.  I've given up on using built in apps2sd.  Until google can get their $hit together.  Here's a permanent solution:  use recovery to repartition your sd card so that you can create a 2nd partition on the card.  I made a 2048 mb ext 4 one.  Then download link2sd from the market, it allows you to move all app data,the apk, plus dalvik to that partition and then it creates symbolic links on your phone so neither you nor the phone know the app has been moved.  It even does it automatically after you update those apps via the market that have been moved.  Works flawlessly.  I was about one more reboot away from throwing my sensation against a wall.  Hope it helps everyone.

Sorry forgot to mentioned that your device has to be rooted.  It's funny how you have to hack a phone to solve a problem a stock phone shouldn't have in the first place.

Cheers

Same thing here with my new Defy+. I´m using stock 2.3.5. Sometimes (not always) I´ve extracted my SD, delete some big files (such as music or movies) and after reinserting the SD the problem dissapears.

Sorry, forgot to mention that my ".android_secure" folder is almost 1.18 Gb big with 88 files in it. Now I have 500Mb free in my 16GB SD and suffering the problem.

had/have the same issue - found a temporary fix

found out that if the ".android_secure" folder on the SD card is larger than 1 GB, then the infinite reboot occurs.

A temporary fix is that I uninstalled some apps and files in the ".android_secure" folder, in order to bring the folder size below 1 GB.
That at least is working, and I don't have the infinite reboot.

Removing the SD card solved also the reboot problem.

Device:HTS Desire S, non-rooted
Android OS: 2.3.5

Same problem as everyone else. clearing .android_secure resolved the issue. I have restored only a few programs now at this point. Definitely a bug that needs fixing. Now I need to build me something that monitors the folder for folder size and alert me when its getting close.

Move to sd ext do not use stock method if rooted. Permanent fix no need to worry about android_secure folder or removal of sd card.

Move to sd ext do not use stock method if rooted.

What do you mean by stock method?

Do you mean move the files in android_secure to the sd ext? So, use DroidSail app to move all apps which requires root? I am not sure if this works. Can someone confirm?

Same issue on my galaxy note.

just happened to me. thought i was being good and moving all of my big games and apps to sd card to free up internal memory and kablamo! maxes cpu out and heading to reboot city.. population, me.

Me too. With both Captiave & Skyrocket. All happened on 2.3.5 and with a lot apps >550s and reboot loop after apps move to SD. It happen after specific app number or size to SD over a threshold. Tried all the methods I could know to figure it out but failed. Finally come up to this thread.

I have the same prob. Downgraded to 2.3.4 and all is good. But I don't think Google cares anymore... I won't be holding my breath for the fix/update as I feel it aint happenin anytime soon. good luck.

The same things. I moved so many apps. Definitely more than 100. Now my phone will reboot infinitely which makes it a complete useless device. Currently I am using it without SD card. Can somebody send this issue to engadget, cnet, etc so that google might finally hear it?

Now I am afraid that the too many times rebooting might have damaged my phone or its battery. Hoping that the carphonewarehouse will replace me with a new one. FYI I have used my galaxy note for around 4 months..

Google will have to fix this, soon normal users will move enough apps to the SD card and complain in large volumes. Sad thing is, they won't know what the problem is.

Turning off wi-fi seems to make this problem more bearable for a while, but it just got worse for me when I moved a few more apps to the SD card. Do you think this is one reason why AT&T has not yet released the ICS update for the SGS2 to the masses?

It's not just ICS, it's any firmware from and higher than 2.3.5. Everything is stable at 2.3.4. So something was ruined in 2.3.5 that subsequently had every update bugged.

i have the same problem with galaxy s 2 ics latest XXLPQ 4.0.3 veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery upset if galaxy s 3 will has limited installable storage i will not buy it

I have this problem since 2.3.5. on my SGS2
I tried to change the firmware several times to what ever I could find (only official firmwares), and it continued to happen in 2.3.6 and ICS 4.0.3

Spontaneous reboots are caused by moving large amount of apps to SD. I'm on latest ICS and still get that.

Solution:
Switch off your phone and allow it to cool for about 3 mins. It should now not reboot.
Note: for some reason, the SD card area stays too warm after too many apps have been moved to SD. You may experience these reboots also
If you do a firmware non wipe upgrade, upon first boot.
Solution:
1-boot into recovery, clean/format cache
2-Allow memory card area to cool down for about 3 mins.
Reboot

You may choose to move back all your apps to internal memorynd no reboots. If your interal us full as mine is, the above will work.

Finally, Google needs to address the software as to why the SD card(area) heats up upon moving large number of files to SD.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium

Excessive heat will cause most phones to reboot, but this bug is not a heat issue. Not every phone affected gets warm when it shows these symptoms. That it would affect such a variety of hardware exactly the same way due to overheating is highly dubious.

It's not a result of overheating, at all! Tested this various time of having the phone off the whole night.

Since I changed to ICS 4.0.3, no problem...
Then I migrated a bunch of apps to SD with ApptoSD and it keeps rebooting...
Switching wifi off does not seem to help and yes there is overheating, the CPU is always active and apparently service using it is SystemAndroid...
Please fix it !!!!!!!!

I have the same auto reboot problem with Galaxy Note N7000, it became unusable

I have this auto restart problem in my Samsung Galaxy SII, my phone keeps restarting all the time and the only way to stop it from restarting is to remove the sd card and switch off wifi

This is not a solution
waiting for google to fix this stupid problem

Same here on my Galaxy Note. I've to keep the number of apps on SD below 33; then it boots nicely.

I've been looking into logs and script. It could be caused by a serie of remounts with the noaccesstime option. The System process gets locked, then it reboots.

There's also a conflict between SVox Classic/Loquendo and Samsung TTS during boot.
 
BTW the free space is calculated incorrectly (Configuration, Applications, SD Card): the free space of the internal sdcard is shown (as this is the normal situation for non-Samsung devices), not of the external_sd where Samsung put the .android_secure. I tried to modify the vold.conf, but that didn't help (hard coded?).

Same issue here. I have a SGS2. I tried with ICS firmwares XXLPQ and XXLPS. with stock and rooted .I will fallback to GB

I have the same issue with Galaxy Note and 2.3.6 after moving too many apps to SD card.

I'm on Xperia mini pro. Suffering from this issue once I flashed an ICS rom.

ICS may be great. But it's pointless if I can't use it.

Fuck you Google. Fuck you big time.

I have had this same problem since I upgraded from 2.3.4 to 2.3.5. At first, the first phone would just reboot a few times, and finally settle down after a few reboots. As log as the i kept the phone on, there were no further reboots. However, I also got a black screen of death problem occasionally, and the mobile signal would disappear from time to time, which required a reboot to reset. Each reboot would result in a numerous cycles of boot loops before the phone became usable.

More recently, I have started having reboots even after transferring files from the PC to the SD card using USB. As soon as the USB is ejected and disconnected, the phone will reboot after the media scanning completes. This again results in endless boot loops.

I have just upgraded to 4.0.3, and am EXTREMELY disappointed that the problem is still there. The phone gets extremely hot at the top, boots every 5 minutes and is non-functional until the SD card is removed.

Having the Wi-Fi on or off doesn't make a difference for me. The problem seems to be related to the SD only. I have around 150 apps on the SD card.

Please fix this. The problem has been around for too long and it defeats the purpose of external storage.

I've the same problem with a Samsung Galaxy Note with version 2.3.6 and a lot of apps on SD card.

I have the same problem too on SGS2. I have tried with many different SD card. It seems like the phone will reboot until SD card is removed. 2 of the SD card i tested got corrupted and died (had to replace them). All started after official update to 2.3.5. Now im no longer using a SD card. Please look into this problem.

I've observed this behaviour too, on my SGS2 (i9100) running 2.3.5. During the last time I was trying to debug and resolve the problem, I'm pretty sure the phone's internal 16GB /sdcard filesystem got corrupted, which was fun to repair (mount read-only, backup, unmount, let the phone format it, fsck_msdos it, reboot, restore backup IIRC).

I'd narrowed it down to moving too many, or the wrong kind of apps to the SD card. My rules these days are:

- don't move apps that autostart after startup (see the Autostarts app)
- only move games
- only move apps over ~20MB in size

From reading this thread, I've also added:

- move no more than ~30 apps
- keep the total size of apps moved to less than 1GB

I had a single spontaneous reboot when trying to update Death Rally (55MB), but that may have also been caused by other unrelated factors. I did have 33 apps and a total of 1296MB, though, so it may have been a warning!

I also have this issue on my SGS2 since I inserted a Samsung 32GB Class 10 card and moved a bunch of apps on it. I folowed the instructions in this thread to fix it. We'll see... Don't know if it wasn't there prior to 2.3.5...
Hope for a fix soon!

Google please FIX IT! I have this issue for 6 month now. It's really annoying.

I am having the same problem, but I am running 2.3.4.  Does that blow the 2.3.5 theory out of the water?

No, it doesn't happen in 2.3.4. You might experience the odd restart every now and then but it shouldn't bootloop. It's a bug in 2.3.5 and higher and has been confirmed. It's not a theory. It's really odd if you're experiencing this on 2.3.4, you might have another problem that is causing it.

I bought my SD card on 22.12.2011 (probably shipped on 24.-26.12.). As I am an early adopter and the 2.3.5 update was rolled out in the early december in Germany, there is only a little chance that I experienced this issue on 2.3.4. I think I was wrong in my first post.

Furthermore my phone is rebooting about two to three times a day. But I experience much more reboots up to a boot loop immediateley after each firmware update. After the update to ICS this week the phone kept rebooting for about an hour. I shut it down and let it cool down and repeated this procedure a few times, running longer after each restart until the restarts disappeared. The system seams to scan apps on the SD card and the restarts stop when the system finished caching all necessary informations from the SD. This worked also for past firmware updates.

I moved many small apps to the internal storage and some really big ones to the SD so the 30 apps on the SD take less the 1GB. No reboots since then.
Removing SD card solved all problems immediateley since ever on all versions.

FYI:
Some peaple claim having same or similar issues on versions <2.3.5.
This is a very serious problem affecting many users.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328191
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1446961

This issue should have Priority-High or Priority-Critical in my eyes!

I agree, why the hell is it medium? It renders the phone useless if you have a bit of apps. Should be changed to critical!

I agree too, this is a big issue with android so it should be classified
under critical issues

same with me.. if the move to sd card introduced, it must give user an advantage. Not a problem.. Please fix this google...

I have the exact same problem on my rooted HTC Inspire 4G.

same problem
google help fast.

Same thing happens on my Galaxy Note LTE...
This is a huge issue and it's been over 2 months and no FIX!?
This has made my first Android experience very terrible!

Get your stuff together GOOGLE and fix this problem

Same issue on my Galaxy SII with ICS. Please fix it.

I had this issue even on my Nexus S with ICS till I made a factory reset. Seems to be a serious problem :/

I'm having the same issue on my Note. As I moved more than 1GB to SD card, this problem started. Until then was all fine.

I am having the same difficulty sith my newly purchased Samsung Galaxy Note GT-7000 running Android v. 2.3.5. I moved all my user apps to, first, a 16g sd card and then to a 32g sd card. Last night I fell asleep listening to an audiobook, woke up at 5am and started to recharge my phablet. Upon rebooting the cycle started and has been ongoing until now, 3pm. That's off and on every couple of minutes for about 10 hours. Has anyone not found a fix for this other than removing the sd card? I can't even seem to find a Samsung tech to talk to about it. Frustrating.

Guys, try this, it works!
(I have not find any other way that work, so until Samsung or Google fix
it, I guess this is the only way).

Use Link2SD app (u can find it in play store) to make ur apps linked to 2nd
partition on SD card.
Guide on how to do all this is in LINK2SD in app help. Or Google it for
more detail tutorials.
Now I have 241 apps installed on my SD card and everything works great!

-Samsung Galaxy Y GT-S5360-
On Mar 25, 2012 11:25 PM, <android@googlecode.com> wrote:

OK Guys I've fixed this prob on my phone. Basically I found it was caused by App 2 SD (Free). I uninstalled the app and haven't had infinite reboot loop since.

I have around 100 apps on my SD card.

I initially got this problem under Gingerbread, then upgraded to ICS with same prob. SD card is fine - passed every performance and capacity test I could chuck at it. Is a Lexar 32GB Class 10.

Disabling WIFI and putting in Flight Mode didn't make a difference for me. Unmounting the card wouldn't work either - would just say "unmount in progress" until it rebooted and then would auto-mount again on startup.

I think this app must have worked fine for a while until I gradually started to put more apps onto the card and got past some theoretical limit where it's begun to cause contention with the O/S on startup - seems to be about 70 from reading previous posts. Either that or it was working and then the App2SD devs cocked it up with a upgrade.

I also think this is why Link2SD works; You're no longer using App2SD?

Can someone else please confirm this fix works for them too. Then I can post a nasty review on the App2SD app page. :P


Regards

-KENT

No, it's not caused by App2SD. It's confirmed by being on 2.3.4 without any resets while that app is present.

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Did you try it?  Maybe it is App2SD on 2.3.5+?  

I'm on 4.0.3.  Would dread a reboot, crash or battery dying because it would take my phone out for better part of an hour.  After uninstalling App2SD.  I'm now ~5 days without reoccurance.  I reboot for fun now - just to make sure it hasn't come back.  Loving my phone again after a lot of frustration.  :)

The reason why your mobile is behaving is because you have only 100 apps on SD card. Wait til you have 300-400 apps.

im having 300+ apps installed on phone. while more around 20 to sd card. i will face the restarting issue if my .android_secure folder near 1gig. that what i monitor. regarding app2sd, let we give it try. :)

The same problem, as described above. ~70 aps to SD = hotboot shortly after SD scan.
Tried everything: reflash, clean cache etc. Only full recovery from Titanium Backup and relocating apps back to phone helps.
android 2.3.6

Indeed. Removing app2sd will give luck..

Before i remove app2sd, my phone always reboot. I try remove the app2sd. The phone boot without reboot now. So, other might give a try.

Yep!
Thanks Google for ruining a good phone!
So far spent the last 4 hours trying to get my SG2 to work. Since making the foolish mistake of updating to ICS only thing phone is good at is as a hand warmer.

I got the same problem
Use App2Sd to moved some to sdcard..
Now my samsung galaxy 2 (ICS 4.0.3) keeps hot reboot every 1-2 minutes after..
Reboot problem solve if i remove the sdcard..
Is there any fix on this?
This is getting very frustating

Quote ............. I got the same problem Use App2Sd to moved some to sdcard.. Now my samsung galaxy 2 (ICS 4.0.3) keeps hot reboot every 1-2 minutes after.. Reboot problem solve if i remove the sdcard.. Is there any fix on this? This is getting very frustating ............

I too facing the same thing. But now still using gingerbread. Can u try to remove ur app2sd application for a while to monitor ur phone reboot issue?

Before this,me too using app2sd to move apps to sd. After that facing the reboot issue. Everytime loading to homescreen and wait around 1minute sure reboot again

What i did,remove my sdcard then switch on the phone. Remove yhe app2sd application. After that plug in my sdcard. Switch on my phone. No more reboot.

You might give it a try fellow..

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@jasonkhoo
I just tried your suggestion.
It seems to be working.
Thanks a lot :D

So what seems to be the problem?Is it the app2sd app?I'm using app2sd by Sam Lu
Do you have any recommendation for other app besides app2sd?
Ever try app2sd by EZMOB apps?
Thanks

I'll install APP2SD now just to see what will happen.
I don't think this reboot loop caused by any app though.
I will post the result in an hour.

-FirGeeky-
On Apr 27, 2012 6:41 PM, <android@googlecode.com> wrote:

It has nothing to do with app2sd. I am not using it and have the same
problem.
El 30/04/2012 09:24, <android@googlecode.com> escribi�:

It has been stated numerous times before it's not caused by any apps. It's crucial bug that was changed in 2.3.5. Don't know why Google stuffed this one up. Really killing the Android experience. What will it take? 10K comments to listen?

I have the same issue with galaxy note and removing app2sd application
doesn't help
The only thing that stops the rebooting is to remove sd card and switching
off wifi
On Apr 30, 2012 8:20 AM, <android@googlecode.com> wrote:

Hi Kent, I never use APP2SD because I thought APP2SD unable to move all
apps to SD.
On Apr 27, 2012 6:19 PM, <android@googlecode.com> wrote:

The problem re-appeared..
I've uninstalled app2sd, and for a while the problem disappear.
But not long after that, my galaxy S2 keeps restarting again..
I think it got nothing to do with the app2sd, and it's really annoying..

"It has been stated numerous times before it's not caused by any apps. It's crucial bug that was changed in 2.3.5."  -- thought this bears repeating...  and to add to what I wrote in comment 16, the only common denominator is external SD cards.  There might be other spin-off issues to do with WiFi etc, but the core issue is with a running service that controls the SD card.  This bug is in every version of Android since 2.3.5 including the latest nightly build of 4.0.3.

In nearly 3 months I've yet to see a comment from an official Google representative or even a nod toward a wiki or forum where it might be acknowledged.  Is there any point to this thread anymore?  I hope merely the volume of comments and debate on the subject will be enough to get their attention.

I guess Google doesn't care..

This reboot loop problem can be stop, but only on rooted phones (using
LINK2SD). This is the only method that I know of. Just read my post above.
For unroot phones, just wait for Google to release the official fix (if
ever).

Note: if U don't know what "root" means then I suggest Google it first. I'm
not responsible for any damage to ur phone. Do it with ur own risk.

-FirGeeky-
On Apr 28, 2012 5:44 PM, <android@googlecode.com> wrote:

Considering this was pushed out in an official update 2.3.5 with Kies -- Samsung have to take some responsibility for this; and work with Google.  Obviously Samsung's testing methodology leaves a lot to be desired.  Far be it for me to pass the buck though Google; you guys need to get your asses into gear!

Same problem here.. Started Yesterday...
Whenever I try to download an app.. App downloads > "Installing .." > Bang! The phone restarts!

Nexus S with 4.0.3

Can anyone confirm Link2SD works for people with more than 300-400 apps without any reboots on higher firmware say 2.3.5+ or any ICS builds?

@bob.kurn

although it work, please don't let ur sdcard full with many apps+games. Because i also don't think the app2sd itself cause the boot. It's android problem.

Use link2sd or try move2sd. U don't need "move all to sd function" because if u move all apps+games to sd, then it will be disastrous..  move only big apps+games.

I have spent a good day transferring my apparently, little by little to a second partition using Link2sd. No more reboot problem. I am still very disappointed,  for this demands a root and thus forces me to void my warranty. Or, enjoy my Note with a lot fewer apps. (There would go all my daughter's games.) I can imagine that if Google doesn't acknowledge or come up with a fix soon, that there might be lawsuits forthcoming.

*my apps.( Damned corrective spelling)

Global - Can you confirm how many apps you have on your device now?

Yar, I currently have 443. Most of the user apps have been linked and other apps are distributed between phone and sd partition 1. I partitioned my 32g sd into equal halves but now realize that the second partition doesn't need to be that great. Mebbe about 8g.
It was a chore moving the apps,  had to move most of them to pc and link, move some back to sd, link, repeat until all were linked. Now, no problem.

At one time I was able to keep 60. Then, I had to reduce it to 49. Now, I
can only have 45. I have to assume that this is due to the size of the
apps. I am just too frustrated to keep messing with it, to find out exactly
what the size threshold is. The techs at my local Sprint repair shop are
aware of the issue. Most of them use htc phones, so they have been relying
on me for their information on the matter. They have been aware of it for
some time, but thus far, I'm the only one that has been smart enough to
know that the phone reps on the Sprint line were full of crap when they
were telling me it was a bad SD card, then a bad app, then this, then that,
then the other, and of course, I needed to do a factory reset.

Keep calling your service provider. Keep them on their toes. Keep referring
to this issue/bug report #. Only by staying on top of your provider, will
they keep running it up the flagpole to Google. Only after enough users
complain, only after the service providers keep complaining to Google, will
they actually do something about it. Face it, most of the Android users out
there are not app junkies, like us. And of those who are junkies, only a
few of us are tech savvy, and realize the nuances of our little handheld
Linux-based computers that happen to be able to make phone calls. We have
to speak up on the behalf of everyone else, out there. We have to continue
to call, to flood the lines of our service providers, until they, and
Google, finally see the light.

Thanks for your input Global!

well said schuff... you're absolutely right - the service providers are the gatekeepers to the manufacturer (Samsung et al), then in turn the OS provider (Google).  One can contact the manufacturer direct I suppose and put the impetus on them, but they might just direct you to call your provider (where the buck stops).
Seems we'll have to make quite a song and dance with them to push this up that proverbial flagpole.

Issue on rebooting with my galaxy note here. Problem stops when sd card taken out. But thats not a solution. Checked this post n confirmed its not an " app specific" issue. Google, please dont disappoint us more. Give us a quick fix please..

Well here is my entire experience ( pain ) in form of a mail to samsung on this rebooting issue. Though its not Samsung,its google who is sleeping on this. really surprised that google is not reacting. Any way here goes -

Dear Mr Bhattacharya


Please refer to the conversation we had yesterday and today about the issue i am facing with my new galaxy note.

I am recapping the entire sequence of events for your reference.

I purchased the phone in the month of march 12.

In the last week of march i moved the downloaded apps - About 70 odd (all from the Google Play Store) from the phone memory to SD card as the 2 GB partition was running low on space.

After transferring the apps i noticed that the phone kept restarting from the home screen(not a complete restart,where the samsung logo comes up) and this kept happening for half an hour and the back of the phone became extremely hot because of constant restart.

I decided to do a factory reset assuming that there must be some bug/or problem with the memory card.

I formatted the memory card ( again brand new- San disk class 10 - 32 GB with bill and warranty ) and did a factory reset.

After downloading the apps again i transferred the apps to the memory card and the same restarting problem started happening again.

This time i took the phone to your Borivali Bombay Mastercare center( bill no - 4130057301 dated 18.4 where the service engineer told me that since the phone was new he will try and get me a replacement.

I had explained to them that i had already done the factory reset once and the problem had remained. The engineer said that he is writing a mail to Samsung for a replacement and will let me know of the status the next day i.e. 19.4

To my surprise i got a call from the service center on 19th saying that the problem had been solved and i can take the handset back. They told me that a new version of the 2.3.6 gingerbread version was updated on my phone and now the same problem will not happen again.

When i went to the service center, i asked the engineer as to why i was not informed about the software flash when he had clearly told me that he will write to Samsung for a replacement.

The engineer started apologizing saying that it was his mistake that he gave me a false promise and assured me that after the software flash the problem will not happen again.

At the time of the phone being handed over to me i noticed a dent on the top chrome bezel next to the audio jack. I was extremely upset with the fact that first i was lied to and then the phone was damaged by the person/persons handling it.

Ms Dipti of Mastercare then assured me that they will replace the damaged bezel(which i later found was a composite unit being a part of the back cover)

I was also upset that the phone will be opened again for this careless handling of the person who was doing the repairs on it. The phone was already opened for checking moisture damage ( which i believe is Samsung policy for any phone that comes for warranty/non warranty issues ) on 18 th.

Let me also put on record that i was extremely upset at that point that

A. The engineer told me that he had sent a mail to Samsung for replacement which was a lie and

B. The software reset was done without informing me and

C. The Bezel was damaged in the process.


I had already spent two days running around and waiting for almost 5 to 6 hours at your service center.

Any way , the replacement bezel came after 5 days and i was asked to come and get it changed on 24th april.

In the mean while i had to do the entire data back up again (3rd time) after the software reset by service center.

Hope here you will understand that its frustrating and time consuming process to keep backing up the data and to download the apps from the Play store. It costs time and money ( the data charge on WI fi And Mobile)


 This time i did not transfer the apps and the phone was working ok till 1st may.

On 2nd may i transferred about 35 apps to the SD card as the 2 GB phone memory was again running low.

To my surprise i found the same problem of the phone restarting in a continuous loop.

I went online and found out on the official Google android page -  http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=25563  that this was not an isolated problem and it was affecting all users who moved apps to SD card on versions  2.3.5 and 2.3.6.

If you go through all the entries you will find that this is a global issue affecting users of Galaxy note and Galaxy S2. And this is the official Google Android Blog.

Any way i took the phone to your service center yesterday 3rd may.

I was told by Ms Dipti that the concerned person - Mr Anish was not there and she will talk to him and get back to me on the status and solution by today i.e. 4th may.


Dipti called me today morning to say that they want to do another software reset (2nd by your service center and fourth over all as i had done the factory reset 2 times my self) as they have an updated version.

I clearly told her that this time i will do the app transfer in the service center it self and if the problem persists then i will insist for a refund as i dont have the time and energy to keep doing factory reset and leaving the phone at the service center.

This was at about 12.30 in the afternoon today.

I then called you and spoke to you at about 1.30 pm today.

Let me recap the issue in totality for your reference.


1. The phone keeps restarting in loop after apps are moved to the SD card.

2. Your service center is doing a second software reset today as i write this mail assuring me that the problem will NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

3. I have already done the factory reset twice on the phone my self but the issue remains.

4. I have made 5 visits to your service center and spent a lot of my working time.

5. The phone was physically damaged once and has been opened thrice.


And most importantly the problem has not been solved.


I will go to the service center at about 5 pm and do the app download and transfer in front of the service technician( or else they can do it themselves for their satisfaction )

Though it is apparent that this is a global issue based on the complaints and feed back on the Google android blog -  http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=25563

I insist on a refund if the problem still continues after today.


Let me put on record that mastercare people have been very polite and courteous while dealing with me and i also appreciate you taking my calls yesterday and today.

I am also marking this mail to Mr. Rajiv Ganju - Head - customer services India.







 

I have the same issue, Sasung Galaxy S2 with the latest update.
This bug is a shame, I'm glad that I'm not in the dev team, I would have nightmares because of this shame, shame on you Google and the open source community who don't repair this bug.

I have a HTC Desire HD, with about 200+ apps.
For the past 4 to 5 months I've encountered the exact same problem.
I have read thru countless forums and tips people recommending to factory reset, change the SD card, but none make any difference.
The details described here are SPOT ON to my problem.
One by one I backed up and removed folder and files from the SD card, testing in between if the phone would reboot.
I pinned it down to the .android folder and thought initially it was a particular app (or apps) that was causing the problem.
But after lots and lots and LOTS of timewasting and testing, I could not pin it down, but thanks to the info here I now realise that it's the size/quota of the .android folder and not an individual app.
I also use APP2SD, but only push my games over to the SD card, all the rest sit on the phone memory, which is almost full.
PLEASE GOOGLE Invest some time into researching this issue (you've previously had a working android software version <2.3.4 to use as comparison with >2.3.5)

I am also having issue with Galaxy SL GT-I9003. I updated 2.3.6 framework version in Sept 2011 and it was working fine till last week of April 2012. Suddenly I find my phone is keep re-starting so I thought there may be some issue. So I pull the battery and insert in again.And Something un-expected happened, I lost all my contact, message and my SD card has been formatted by default. Some how I took that pain and thought it happened due to some bug so I did a factory reset. But it's keep restarting. So once again I did reset and remove the SD card. Now my phone is in brand new state now apps , no sd card and even though it's keep re-starting. I am also not enabling or using Wifi as well. Let me know if there is any resoultion.  

i just got the galaxy note, its only a week tomorrow and I am already experiencing this problems and I don't even have 30 apps on my phone. i Have read that getting a new phone nor resetting fixes the problem and this is fustrating... FIX IT pls.... I've paid too much money for this phone

Having same very annoying problem on my HTC Desire HD with Root and CyanogenMod 7.1.0
Android version 2.3.7 (???) has described in system info on the phone.
Once I find a stability of the system...every updates of apps could make this bug come back again. Usually I need to open folder "android_secure" on my SD and delete/move last updates files. This usually solve the problem, than I need to reinstall removed apps and try moving them to SD again one at time...until I find the one causing the crash. Than I finally can have some stability again.
On my HTC Desire HD I don't have so much internal memory so I NEED to move apps on SD!

Here is a page on my blog where I try to keep updated a list of Apps causing this problem.

http://gallemind.blogspot.it/2012/02/htc-desire-hd-ace-cyanogenmod-71-list.html

For ROOTED phones, the only 'workaround' for the moment appears to be an app called LINK2SD.

You need to create a second EXT4 partition on your SD card, the LINK2SD transfers the apps you want into this EXT4 partition, then at boot it links the EXT4 partition making the phone think that the apps are all installed on the local phone memory, works flawless !

Hello All
I initially had this issue with my AT&T Motorola Atrix. After the February update my phone went into a constant reboot and the phone was unusable. My Atrix was not rooted and I had over 200 apps on the phone.  3/4 of the apps were on my SD card.  I didn't have this problem before the February update and the phone was on 2.3.4. I went through 4 or 5 Atrixs before I gave up and bought a Samsung Skyrocket.  Now I'm having the same issue with the Skyrocket.  It's running 2.3.6.  I tried factory reset and reformatting my SD card.  Once I removed the SD card the reboot stopped.  What's the point of having the SD card option if it doesn't work with the device?  If it were possible to store the apps on the internal storage that would be great. No need for SD card. What's up with this and is Google looking to fix the problem?

By the way,none of the phones were rooted. I shouldn't have to root my phone, which voids my warranty, to get the device to work! Who and how do I contact Google to complain about this? I've bought 2 different phone brands with the same problem! If this isn't a lawsuit, what is?

Adding my voice to this ongoing problem. Last month I had a slight problem with chain-reboots, suffering 3-6 before powering it off and fully charging it with the stock charger. During these cycles, I noticed the battery meter displaying erratic results.

During the past two weeks, I installed more apps, and and began moving more and more to the SD card. Today after I reboot, the chain-rebooting wouldn't stop. After spending hours trying to identify a single app causing the problem, I came across a thread at the XDA forums. Removing 30+ apps from the SD card and booting has allowed me to keep my handset up for 38 mins. Prior it would not run more than a minute before rebooting.

It is my understanding that this issue remains in release versions of ICS. Allowing a bug of this magnitude to last for so long is unacceptable. Please fix this.

Running Gingerbread 2.3.6 on a samsung galaxy S2.
HW Ver. D710.10
Kernal 2.6.35.7

Further details upon request.

I have this problem too on my HTC incredible s with latest updates,  putting the phone into airplane mode and leaving it rebooting overnight does eventually get me back to having a usable phone again.

I am HTC Desire HD "Vodafone Spain" and I have too continuous reboots the operating system when more than 130 applications moved to the SD card.

Too HTC Sensation 4.0.3 too continuous reboots the operating system when more than 130 applications moved to the SD card

- https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=31413&q=Continuous%20reboots&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars

Having same issue for months with SGS2 and 2.3.5. Surely this is a high (not medium) priority issue? sdcard near useless with this problem!

Today I had a bad time with this horrible issue with gataxy note
I had to use a file stored on sd card and it took 5 hours from continues
rebooting until it finally stopped after the battery was completely draind
This is a major android issue
 On May 20, 2012 7:13 AM, <android@googlecode.com> wrote:

It's a bug, and it should have been fixed by now, it's disgusting a bug can be left like this for so long

Galaxyy S2 with stock gb 4.0.3

Reboot loop. phone would work for 2 or 3 mins then reboot.
It would be fine for a few days, then just start rebooting until the battery was pulled, Would work for a few day if the phone was charged.
If I needed the phone it would work if the sd card was pulled.
I Also noticed the area arpound the sim card was hot.

Problem started after an app splurge when I installed 30+ new apps (currently at 300)

I had used app2sd to move many (now removed as part of fix)
And I've moved all I can to phone memory.

New link  in foro Vodafone:

- http://foro.vodafone.es/t5/Actualizaciones-Android/AAndroid-se-reinicia-quot-reboot-loop-quot-continuamente-desde/td-p/103923

because Vodafone delete old link

- http://foro.vodafone.es/t5/Actualizaciones-Android/Android-se-reinicia-quot-reboot-loop-quot-continuamente-desde-la/td-p/103663

Vodafone says that closing the thread because it doubled the previous I had been erased. The truth is that there is a duplicate because it erased. And in this new thread has removed the option for us to respond. Clearly not interested in this type of messages you record where we show the errors we are having with android do not like for their sales campaign

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AlbertoVF/Empleado AlbertoVF
Registrado: 02-12-2011
Re: AAndroid se reinicia "reboot loop" continuamente desde la actualización 2.3.4 a 2.3.5
el 22-05-2012 10:58

Hola,

por favor, no dupliques los mensajes. El mensaje anterior se ha unido al hilo al que corresponde.
Cierro este hilo.
Saludos
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Same problem on Galaxy S2 running Android 4.0.3. Continuous reboots after booting the phone and it's getting really hot. No problems when the SD-Card is removed.

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Same problem with Motorola Droid Razr Maxx running Android 2.3.6.  Moved about 1GB of apps from internal to SD, which resulted in endless bootloops.  Resolved by factory restoring the phone and leaving all apps in internal memory.  Not willing to guess how many apps I can move to SD before bootloops begin.

Could fix the problem by moving only Apps which don't start any services to the SD card.

Same issue here on SGS2 running stock ICS 4.0.3:

PDA: I9100XWLP7
PHONE: I9100XXLPS
CSC: I9100XEULP5

I also never had a problem when I was running stock GB 2.3.4

I'm trying to move the apps back to the phone from SD but it's damn tricky as the OS reboots every two to three minutes.

I read about moving .asec files from the android.secure folder on the SD card to stop the boot looping but is there a way to move these files to the phone so that I don't loose the apps from the app drawer?

Moving one app at a time in a two minute window is a real pain and seems to be taking forever.

S.

A small tip for moving apps from sd. It seems that ICS can handle up to 20-25 apps installed on sd, SO:
- Insert to sd card to a pc and move .ASEC files from .android_secure to a temp folder.
- Leave in .android_secure only .ASEC files relative to apps you want to move from sd to phone. NO MORE THAN 20-25 files
- Insert sd to phone and move those apps from sd to phone. You can recognize them as others have the "grey" icon.
- Repeat for next 20 apps

It's really boring (had to move about 200 apps working fine on 2.3.4) but at least there's a way to move them without device being overheated.

P.S. I'm also waiting for a real solution

I am having the same problem too. Samsung Galaxy Note.

Samsung Galaxy Note 2.3.6, GT-N7000 N7000DXLC1 not rooted.

180+ apps. Most of them on SD card (32GB SanDisk Class 6).

.android_secure has 137 files, 1.60GB.

Barely making it without reboot loops.

Stopped buying apps from play.google.com due to this problem, because I cannot install new apps.

What I did :

1. Turn off the phone.
2. Charge the phone to full.
3. Put the phone (switched off) into the freezer for a few minutes to cool it down.
4. Take it out of the freezer and beware of condensation.
5. Wait for the condensation to dry off, it helps wiping with a dry towel.
6. Switch on the phone.
7. Pray.

This is how I escape the reboot loop of death, sometimes. Try this at your own risk.

Pathetic, I know. But what choice do I have besides rooting the phone and using Link2SD?

@mvag...

Thanks for the advice, it worked a treat! :-)

S.

Same problem here too SGS2 TMobile UK

Model: GT-I9100
Android Version: 4.0.3
Baseband Version: I9100BVLPB
Kernel Version: 3.0.15-I9100BVLPB-CL3310231dpi@DELL151 #3
Build number: IML74K.BVLPB

I had this problem yesterday on HTC Desire HD. Workaround was to delete some apps from the SD card, which of course is not a fix. The system should at least be generating a resource warning on installation of an App to the SD card rather than allowing it to reach a point where it crashes and reboots.

Oops previous comment should have been from this Google account :) Apologies to my father-in-law!

I was seeing this on my Orange UK stock 4.0.3 ROM on SGS2, and inspecting the logs it seemed like a lot of the crashes were caused by http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=2810

It seems that simple one-line fix hasn't made it into the Android code base, even 15 months after it was posted.

I would like to verify whether this is the same issue which I reported to and had fixed in Cyanogenmod a while back (http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=2810) -

Can someone provide me with some logs (ICS and/or GB) so I can see what the error is, which file and line of code is causing it? (Pastebin or similar will do..)

I'm not promising anything, but if we can at least point Google to the exact line of code which is causing the issue maybe they might be prompted to quickly fix it. Maybe.

This kind of thing, you mean? (Stock Orange UK 4.0.3 ROM on SGS2.)

05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 W dalvikvm: threadid=14: thread exiting with uncaught exception (group=0x40c381f8)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E android.os.Debug: !@Dumpstate > dumpstate -k -t -n -z -d -o /data/log/dumpstate_sys_error
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime: *** FATAL EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS: ActivityManager
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime: java.lang.ArithmeticException: divide by zero
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at com.android.internal.os.ProcessStats.printCurrentState(ProcessStats.java:702)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at com.android.server.am.ActivityManagerService.appNotResponding(ActivityManagerService.java:3208)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at com.android.server.am.ActivityManagerService$AppNotResponding.run(ActivityManagerService.java:3110)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at android.os.Handler.handleCallback(Handler.java:605)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:92)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:137)
05-08 20:06:32.397  2567  2593 E AndroidRuntime:        at com.android.server.am.ActivityManagerService$AThread.run(ActivityManagerService.java:1477)
05-08 20:06:32.422  5460  5460 I dumpstate: Check if stand-alone
05-08 20:06:32.432  5460  5460 I dumpstate: begin


I've reinstalled the machine since then, after a naïve attempt to deodex it in-place and fix the bug rendered it non-booting. And thankfully the problem hasn't recurred yet.

Thanks, confirmed the bug is still in the Android core codebase:
https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/core/java/com/android/internal/os/ProcessStats.java
Line 702 of that file.

You could all collectively try and contact Dianne Hackborn at Google if you wish to escalate this (she's on Google+ etc..)

Just for some further explanation, what is happening is that sometimes when the phone is doing heavy IO work (like accessing the SD card) then some processes running on the CPU are getting starved and the timestamp doesn't get updated before this code is run twice. Which results in a divide-by-zero and crash of ActivityManager.

Because the IO work had not finished its job Android will try to repeat it as it boots up again, resulting in another crash and the loop of death begins...

Otherwise, use the latest Cyanogenmod ROM for your device. It is fixed there already, also on the ICS/CM9 branch:
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_base/commit/ee013b9bd6f3f3b017a3648a420707796b7dc275

So it's confirmed it's fixed in the latest CyanogenMod? It won't reset with hundreds of apps on SD?

Only you can confirm that by trying it. If every-single-person-here's problem is caused by that same line of code then yes it is fixed in Cyanogenmod - but I'm not about to give you a personal guarantee. (It's always possible that two distinct bugs could cause the same symptom.)

Ok look, I have made a request to Dianne at Google (via G+), so hopefully she will respond and action this bug for you all. But remember that if that happens you will still be waiting a while until Samsung et Al create a new update and maybe even longer for your carrier to forward that on to you.

Well, I will stick with the Link2SD method as that's guaranteed. Time consuming changing over so many times.

I also made a plea to Dianne, via google +, yesterday. God only knows how
long it will take to see any changes, IF she even considers our request.

In the meantime, I think I'm going to root my SGS2, setup Link2SD, and pay
for best... Just have to find best/easiest root method, now...

Both google's software engineers are on hollidays atm.

I have been constantly calling my service provider regarding the rebooting loop and they seem to oblivious to the problem or at least it seems. After reading so many posts regarding this issue it would seem that samsung would pick up the ball and at least acknowledge the problem. The cost phone alone should be enough to acknowledge the problem before putting out the next phone

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I am glad I have found this thread, I have been pulling my hair out for a couple of months now regarding this issue. I am a heavy apps purchaser and move them to the SD card when I can. I have a Samsung Galaxy S2  ICS and I use the inbuilt option to move the programs to the SD card.

I now have moved quite a few back to the phone and the phone has stopped rebooting as often as it did before. I also had a strange issue which some programs looked like they were not installed when the phone was turned on and just showed a grey icon.  These were also programs on the SD card and was (it seems now) related to this issue. I currently have 80 programs on the SD card now but they are over 1.8gb in size but the reboots seemed to have stopped. I do however feel I cannot purchase anything now from the Play store as I fear the reboots will start again. Personally I think this is such an epic fail I am tempted to go to the BBC news site technology section and report it, I am sure the bad publicity that would ensue would  ignite a rocket under Google slow moving carcass. This really is very frustrated, I cant count the hours I have spent wiping and reinstalling everything only for it to randomly start happening again. Titanium Backup, a life saver.

Once Google have fixed this they need to look at a recommended centralised area for game backups and program configuration detail, a lot of these settings are not even backed up by Titanium backup, each wipe and reinstall loses all this data. If this was an Xbox or PS3 issue this would have been fixed by now and the internet would be awash with complaints.

It does *seem* quite embarrassing that such a big problem is being caused by a bug which was known, and for which there was a fix available, over 15 months ago (and no, I don't accept "but it was only known in Cyanogen" as an excuse; why do you think the Cyanogen folks don't bother to try to push bugfixes "upstream" any more anyway?).

But before making lots of public noise about how Google is failing to manage Android as a proper open source project and failing to engage coherently with developers to merge fixes and improvements, I *would* like to see more confirmation that everyone's problem really is the same. I looked through a few of my dumpstate logs, and many of them were caused by the divide-by-zero thing, but not all.

It would also be interesting to have some statistics on how many simple bugs *with* fixes are lurking in the bug tracker, without ever getting merged by Google.

hi mvag,
Can I move apps from sd to phone one by one? If I move all apps to phone. I think it should not have problem?

I called HTC Support +21103, to tell me I have escalated the problem and say that your answer is to have 135 applications on the SD card are many. Is this a response from a professional service? ohhh my god!

Today I called again the quality department to see why HTC was unhappy in his attention from media and I have apologized. Now I have requested a log "bugreport" that begins by setting "menu> settings> applications> Development> USB debugging flag" and press Down and Volume Up three times quickly and separately. I hope that this time be more professional in the analysis of the problem

I have a Samsung Charge. this reboot issue started after the big "UPDATE"!!
I've been calling Verizon for over a month now and they have no CLUE!!!!!!
They had me reformat my sd card - did that. when added info back on, still reboot issue.
I knew it was something to do with the sd card because when i use an old 16gb one with nothing on it, the phone worked just fine.
So, bought a new 32gb micro sd card (amazon $20). Same reboot issue when info added back on.
Verizon wanted me to do a factory reset, but I really didn't want to do that just yet as i have my phone just how I like it (by the way, that is their answer to any problem when they don't know what is wrong!!!) or send you a refurbished phone with someone else's issues.
I moved about 10 apps - small ones back to the phone which took it under the "50 app on sd card".  Now it works just fine.
Why can't they resolve this issue. you can still have a sd card full of songs, pix, videos without the problem - it's just the "over 50" issue.
They need to get with the program!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Lynn~